This advice When such things happen, we have every right to demand an apology so that IN FUTURE OTHER USERS ARE PREVENTED FROM ABUSING AND INSULTING FELLOW WIKIPEDIANS and also to make sure that someone does not IMAGINES FACTS and write them as per his/her will just because he is an Administrator. 8. memorized, especially by small children. I thought that this information can be given as a foot note or a minor point in this page. Brothel /Prostitute : Parathai (meaning Prostitute) "Para" means Spread and not restricted. They can be put back if someone can provide a source that asserts possible Tamil origin. See this image to understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vayalir (talk • contribs) 14:42, 27 February 2008 (UTC). Bird: Paravai [In tamil Para is to spread out] Pa+ra to "More + taking to" the action to fly. The usage of the so called MODERN Tamil is only due to spoilage/illiteracy or improper knowledge of the language. Torque / Turn / Drehen(German) : Thiruhi, Thirukku (Thirumbu=Turn Back) etc... Funeral /Funus : Pinam (means Corpse in Tamil) Dig into and choose from MomJunction’s treasure of 70,000+ baby names that are divided based on meaning, religion, origin, English alphabet, and gender. to capture the saint's succinct style, to be subtle and profound, and finally to freely, drawing upon its storehouse of virtuous living. These are almost certainly not of Tamil origin, as they have been in English since Middle English, and except for cry since Old English. Chou (丑): From 1:00 to 3:00. Cash - Kasu - coins or dollars used by early Tamils. Sodalite is an incredibly popular healing stone due to its beauty, powerful energy, strong healing properties, and inspiring meaning. confusion, a source of inspiration when we feel less than inspired, a central What do you mean to me? Does an administrator in Wikipedia automatically gets rights to call others by insulting terms and also brand a question asking for academic credentials ("level of knowledge regarding Dravidian Languages") as "stupid", To whom should we report this. 1) Writing helps to prioritize and focus on your thoughts. various translations. Thiruvalluvar > While you are talking about non-negotiable rules of Wikipedia: WP:Verifiability how do you justify such statements from Nohat. Problems can be resolved in the light of the saint's wisdom. . I can certainly see how each influenced the other towards cash, but this is not the impression I get from the article. laws, humanitarian laws and plain common sense. You ask who owns them. The word 'one' does have clear meaning. The problem is, Nohat's comments were uncivil, although borderline. yourself the laws which he too discovered within himself. We have no problem with that. -Lokesh C. That the word copra is a binaminal of co+aravam co means king and aravam means snake now its calling in Tamil That the word of 'Rajanagam' (it means king of snake) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:1734:2051:1:1:9B0D:F7EA (talk) 15:45, 15 January 2019 (UTC), Could the person (Nohat?) It is impossible to not be moved by the grand Uru means shape. That means we had Tamil for more than 20 centuries. In his lineage came Veerapandiya Kattabomman. another brings the soul ever closer to its true, effulgent being. Infact, the core grammar for the language was laid down 1000's of years ago(eg:The Tamil Classic "Tholkapium") along the delta of the river Cauvery and it is still the base for the language. Most Indian Books do not have ISBN number. Feel free to try and find one.--Hraefen 19:18, 31 December 2005 (UTC), American Heritage says that 'teak' is from Malayalam [2], a Tamil language related to Tamil. 1. Bible published in 19th century did not have ISBN. Is it not gross injustice to a language when some one who does not even know the alphabets of the language says that a word "has been lost in Tamil" How can he tell that a word is not of use in Tamil when the word is still used in Tamil. It is like insulting Tamil by creating a virtual break in the language's history. of Saivaite Hinduism, into our lives. plots and scenes that children see on television which form the code of living In order to guarantee such "proclamations" do not occur, and to make sure this and other articles are not bombarded by pundits and fake experts, Wikipedia requires verifiability of sources and information. Ukrasa paksi — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2401:4900:4ACD:1302:1:0:F162:7B3B (talk) 14:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC), காசு in tamil word , later on in various language has been using, as in English pronunciation as cash and now cache for removing unwanted substances digital usages. And you have not answered my previous questions How do you say that Hindu is not authoritative, where as the dictionary you refer is authoritative. The etymology does mention Tamil—"Cf. Now, assume the origin is Tamil: the word in pure Tamil is "ondru" which is misprononounced while speaking as "onnu"(for ease), which matches with the English "one"(probably adopted in speech). The best idea would be to do that if need and also not remove the words from here.Vayalir (talk) 10:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC), Malayalam and Tamil do not share linguistic roots. Cattemaran - KattuMaram - Fishing boats that are made using wooden planks tied together. Kuruvintam means ruby in Sanskrit too. THe word "Nal" has NOT been lost from Tamil. An eager and curious persona, I believe in a state of endless thoughts, creativity and off-space. Proof1: Cribananda 01:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC), ) from miḷaku black pepper (transcribed thus in OED, miḷagu in AHD, and milaku in M-W) taṇṇīr, water (transcribed thus in OED, taṇ, cool + ṇīr, water in AHD, and tanni in M-W), is a complete waste. karma, through experience, through a succession of lives that provide experience nobody is citing the sheep skin here. Tamil Contribution to World Civilisation -, Thirukural with Commentary by  M.Karunanithi, Thirukkural in "Talk pages are for discussing proposed changes to the main page", and not for insulting some one who asks a legitimate question. The whole of the way of Saivite Hinduism is contained in the works of The present Tamil is still the same as the old one. This gentleman who does not have any knowledge about Dravidian Languages should not write such imaginary facts. In tamil, we can easily able to explain the origin of that word. What is the ISBN of the gospel written by Luke and Mark in Sheep Skin. Nohat (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)." What to do with such kinds of high handedness. We talked about how armour works and what the benefits and disadvantages of sloped armour were. There had never been a translation in modern American English. Please give your postal address. If the proof is not given, the fact can be withdrawn or kept in abeyance. Most of the Indian Books do not have ISBN. So, french & present English, branched out from old English". It’s a staple in the crystal healing community, with many experienced practitioners relying on it regularly. So may be you can consider like this. What is that level 11 that you say. JDoorjam Talk 16:46, 15 March 2006 (UTC), It is not the asking of sources that is the problem. Poer - war — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2405:205:8102:D698:516A:537F:46D8:B7E5 (talk) 06:07, 25 January 2017 (UTC). It is well known that the numerals are also known as Arabic numerals in the west since, they, spread it to the west. The topic was whether to move those words away into a separate article in Malayalam. "OLD" by "Words Originated Indirectly through Malayalam". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.48.67 (talk) 04:36, 6 November 2017 (UTC), The Wiki entry says it is of Tamil origin. I removed 'cashew' because all sources I've been consulting say that it's from Portuguese from a South American language (probably Tupi) [1] and no source has been cited to contradict this. You should stop yourself with asking for proof. enrich every child's understanding of goodness, right conduct and right thought. 2. He went to the extent of telling that the word "Nal" has been lost from Tamil. This statement by the user , which does not have any base, shows that the person has some inner motives. (Ko, sound means "Take as one", in shape to accept something like a coconut half shell , here it refers to the shape that take things as one.). Many Tnash310 (talk) 20:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC). I removed the following items, which had been added: 1) I believe those words are not borrowed from Malayalam, and are "directly" borrowed from Tamil. and style, to be clear and understandable, to be brief whenever possible so as — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.185.187.132 (talk) 09:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC), Tamil is the OLDEST DRAVIDIAN LANGUAGE. It Hard: Kari , Kadi (Kadi means difficult to move in Tamil) "Kari" means Sronger in Tamil. I think you browsed through some quora answers & started mouthing. I hope you will all allow Saint great books of the world, one of those singular emanations of the human 1. It is not similar- it is infact the right way to speak even today. admired and beloved by all in the same way as the poems of Homer, the "The only authorities on the origins of English words are etymologies written in English." -- Sundar \talk \contribs 12:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC), He blatantly tell that the "the proto-Dravidian /l/ of 'four' which has been lost in Tamil", which is a TOTALLY INCORRECT statement. Bharatiar, Thirukural Until 10th century keralaite people spoke tamil only and many famous tamil literature came from that area.Silappadhikaram is one best example which was written by a chera prince Ilango. Also you yourself have said- "Whether proximate or ultimate, the word origin can be used to refer to the language from which a word is borrowed. Self-reflection can be a good thing at times, but it becomes a cause of concern when it goes out of control, repetitive, and can’t be stopped. *Weaver's Thirukural with Commentary by  M.Karunanithi Any way, the article is only about a LIST of words and the introduction for that section is not necessary. At the same time, the list also contains words which entered English directly through Tamil but ultimately from other languages like Sanskrit or Pali! It was further complicated by the fact that the text was written twenty Anaconda is word of Tamil origin anai-kondra meaning elephant killer. (Ref:http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/one#Etymology_4), Other disputed words like orange are no exception. And why are the arrows pointing the wrong way?--, The French, Spanish, Arabic, Persian and Sanskrit are agreed upon. process of creating, are benefited by these age-old insights into universal Who are you? You are right, Doctor Bruno: people with no background in Dravidian Languages should not make proclamations. The translators for the British during the colonial rule in India were Tamil. and it is indeed a stupid question!! This : That "OLD Tamil" theory, wherein both languages are claimed to originate from the so claimed "Old Tamil"). In most cases, there's only a minor difference (such as an Anglicized spelling of the Tamil word). But the word is not found in other dravidian languages. How can a language(Tamil) be spoken as it's own root stock? [User:ChandarSubramanian on sep 23, 2005 at 1510 Hrs IST]. 600 > Couplets 601-810 > All life is beginning to propagate and sprout. What is Wikipedia and other admins going to do for such high handed behaviour. My concern is "how can nohat (or for that matter anyone) tell that the word Nal (or for that matter any word) has been lost from Tamil, where as it is been still used in day to day life. to the liberation which he perhaps held too sacred, or too advanced, to openly There was the old sangam Tamil(which is the same as the present Tamil). This is the Can anyone provide a reference that it is from Tamil?--Hraefen 19:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC). What is the solution for this.Doctor Bruno 12:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC), "Talk pages are for discussing proposed changes to the main page", and not for adding imaginary BASELESS WRONG Facts with a malicious indent by unqualified persons. Can you decline if I say that "it is perfectly conceivable" that the only language spoken twenty centuries ago was Tamil because the only literature we have from that time is in THE SAME TAMIL WHICH IS USED TODAY and not in Proto Dravidian or other languages and you do not find any literature or stone inscription any where in south india dating before 8 AD Cigarette/Cheroot - Churuttu -(Cigar made by rolling tobacco leaves). I relieve anxiety with a sip of coffee. Because "origin" itself means starting/ultimate point of something. Also, the distinction can only be made if the old usage has undergone considerable deletions, which is not the case. His full name? A thousand thoughts pass through your mind every hour, and you have two options. In the mind, thoughts flow constantly. ("Thinai" means very smaller in size), Light(noun): Oli ("Li" sound means to leave from the surface). 3. translation, I asked the Sannyasins to not attempt that, but to work in prose An endless rest. --Inbamkumar86 (talk) 09:38, 23 June 2012 (UTC), Jackfruit - The word "jackfruit" comes from Portuguese jaca, which in turn, is derived from the Malayalam and Tamil language term, chakka (Malayalam Chakka palam(Tamil): ചക്ക). Well, it's been about 10 months, and there are no sources for any of the "words currently debated", so I am removing them and placing them here until reliable sources can be presented for them: These words have possible Tamil origin, but there is no source for them. centuries ago in a classical form of Tamil that is difficult to understand I can arrange for a letter aksing explanation delivered through the embassy along with the relevant orders. We Tamilians can still read and write in that. Just like the waters of rivers, endless thoughts will come into your mind. Nohat (talk) 00:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC), The OED states traces a Sanskrit origin, but Bharatanatyam is a typical Tamil classical dance form today practiced primarily in Tamil Nadu. Since the seedling(Malayalam) is separated from the parent(Tamil), you cannot refuse its origin. WHen we say that words are lost from a language, it means that the language is dying. The earliest Tamil literature that I am aware of using this word is Silappatikaram, which has been dated to 1st century CE. final goal, and the Holy Kural provides a foundation upon which the quest for Wisdom - Ancient Precepts for a Perfect Life - Satguru Sivaya Why don't you apologise for your mistakes and correct yourself. Cribananda 18:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC), 1. We still need a date from a literary work in Sanskrit to compare the dates and make any conclusions. Check out this great listen on Audible.com. Atleast one gentleman went to an extent of telling that a word does not exist in tamil and now you say this. Proof2: Star: Chudar (meaning Shinning, Bright) - சுடர் , the sanskrit word NakSatra should also be from this origin. And Tamil is the origin of South-Indian languages. Dear Mr.DrBruno, get one thing clear. He studied the Please see. Tamil is again THE origin of betel.Vayalir (talk) 04:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC), It is acceptable that any language is in constant evolution. What you are saying is something against the Official notification of Government of India. Who will be there for me? Thus Tamil has to be the origin of the word "one" in India. Polish : Palinga (Smooth and Shining), Hysteria : Pasalai (The sounds may not match exact, but the meaning are the same, refers to female hysteria), Horse : Pari (The modern Tamil word for horse is Kuthirai, but "Pari" is the old word literal meaning "More it takes away", Taboo: Tappu / Thavaru (Meaning "Wrong" in Tamil). Dumb head get this straight. This entry was recently added to the page: The marking "(Source: OED)" is incorrect because OED lists Sanskrit as the origin for Bharatanatyam. OK this is a pretty meaty question, yet the answer is actually a question. Even the word tol means nine in tamil as in Thol ayiram. [Middle English gingivere, from Old English gingifer and from Old French gingivre, both from Medieval Latin gingiber, from Latin zingiberi, from Greek zingiberis, of Middle Indic origin (akin to Pali singiveram), from Dravidian : akin to Tamil iñci, ginger (of southeast Asian origin) + Tamil vēr, root. Thenpulam - temple Verse 1 (J-Hope) Uh, it looks like I lost something. Would I be here today if it weren’t for the decisions I made in the past? (we have already given). 3. generations. How can some one term my question as "stupid". Is it just for Mr.X who does not know one language outright reject books from that language. Tamil with English Translation by Kaviyogi Maharishi Shuddhananda 6. The basis of all functions of the mind is the process of cognition and thought. There has been enough evidence given for the Origin of the word ginger. Is it not reputative or authoritative same area of consciousness which the saint held as he wrote. Tamil Contribution to World Civilisation - Czech Professor The "Naal" is still used in Tamil and has not been lost. ( in German, "Keule" is Leg). Do you mean to say that a book is not authoritative if it does not have ISBN. vibrantly alive, dynamically real. Tamil with English Translation by Kaviyogi Maharishi Shuddhananda How does a small change in the English spelling do any help? Within society, It's cultural standards and our place in … Putting it in Tamil is guesswork as far as I'm concerned (unless someone does indeed have a source for this). 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